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What like George Romero claiming that the zombies were actually a metaphor for drone citizens?

I think the metaphor in this is clear: American troops are a little trigger happy and cause friendly fire problems; and that the innocent suffer as they fight the war with the "infected"/insurgents.

 

28 days later was a similar story really; the military (that time British) can cause more problems than they cure because they are not designed to police: their loyalties are of necessity purely to themselves.

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What like George Romero claiming that the zombies were actually a metaphor for drone citizens?

I think the metaphor in this is clear: American troops are a little trigger happy and cause friendly fire problems; and that the innocent suffer as they fight the war with the "infected"/insurgents.

 

28 days later was a similar story really; the military (that time British) can cause more problems than they cure because they are not designed to police: their loyalties are of necessity purely to themselves.

 

You obviously haven't run across those "zombies or not" arguments, as they are about the infected, not about the army.

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so explain.

 

Sorry, I'm not much of a geek on that. Look up some horror film fan sites.

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As I already said, the Romero assertion that he was making a metaphor for drone citizens...particularly apt in the supermarket scenarios popular in his movies. Not.

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What like George Romero claiming that the zombies were actually a metaphor for drone citizens?

I think the metaphor in this is clear: American troops are a little trigger happy and cause friendly fire problems; and that the innocent suffer as they fight the war with the "infected"/insurgents.

 

28 days later was a similar story really; the military (that time British) can cause more problems than they cure because they are not designed to police: their loyalties are of necessity purely to themselves.

 

 

Our press has stories every day that as some one said, "Makes you just want to cry."

 

Good thing our country does not believe in violent over throws. The first to go after Chaney-Bush would be the hijacked Republican party.

 

You have no idea how angry the American public is over what this "regime" has done Internationally and here. This is not longer a partisan issue.

 

I just wish there was a real Libertarian movement in this country.

 

With that said. This thread is coming very close to crossing a line for the site and you know that TOS. If we go much further it will be locked. Our site cannot solve the problems of the world here. We wish we could.

 

Linda

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WTF?

 

We are talking about zombies! And armies in general.

 

Linda as I keep telling you I have NO animosity against Bush. The movie as its predecessor uses an imagined situation of chaos to show how useless armies are at establishing order. That is not their job and it is NOT a criticism of just the US army; but all armies: the first movie showed the British army not only useless in the situation but counter productive by bringing its own issues to the table. They are not policemen and have loyalty only to their own regiments: the UN forces have also been useless.....the experiment has failed; armies aren't police forces.

 

It is an interesting movie but actually I think that part of the metaphor may be a bit crass in light of Iraq; don't know.

 

The issues you have with the republicans are your, not mine....stop assuming everyone is anti American.

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TOS. I am sorry. I misunderstood.

 

It is not an issue of anti-American for outsiders, TOS.

 

Afraid that we are so disappointed in what we have turned into, it is a hard issue for us. It is very difficult for we Americans to not "lash out" about it. You will see comments in signatures and a few short posts from us. I have wanted to comment so many times, as I am sure others have. We just have to keep it in check. It is not something that we can solve here. Nor is this the medium to do so. There are other forums for that.

 

In my philosophy class in college, I will always remember a statement my professor left us with on day. He said, "You cannot say you are not a murder, unless you have truly wanted to murder and did not."

 

When we were put our test, all of our beliefs of who we are and what we stand for has not passed this simple test.

 

That breaks all of our hearts, even we former loyal Republicans. I believe that most Americans still believe in those old fashioned beliefs of what we stand for.

 

How could Vietnam have been such a short time ago, and we have forgotten the lessons we supposedly learned then?

 

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Linda

the key here is not to talk about parties; but issues. And sadly if you ...or I...avoid issues then we end up lashing out.

 

So for example it is perfectly reasonable to have a conversation about say the situation in Iraq without apportioning blame to a political party....indeed, the people of Iraq depend on us having that converstaion, as do the lives of allied troops. A solution needs to be found, and at the moment the main political parties are ripping each other apart in the US and UK and no strategy has been talked about.

 

So what is wrong for example with suggesting a three "state" system for the nation, with Kurd, Sunni and Shia autonomy; yet all sharing in the oil wealth. How easy is that? Does it involve slating Bush? No. Would it be a solution? maybe; maybe not. Do the democrats have a solution? Well if they have I haven't heard it.

 

ANYWAY that isn't for discussion here, but such discussion shouldn't be shied from, and can be completely free of political bias.

 

That is what libertarinaism is about...us talking and the politicians listening...especially to informed opinion.

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As I already said, the Romero assertion that he was making a metaphor for drone citizens...particularly apt in the supermarket scenarios popular in his movies. Not.

 

Again, try looking at the discussions of the MONSTERS, not the metaphor.

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The thing I mean is just the idea of what a movie monster zombie is supposed to be, which includes every movie with zombies since Night of the Living Dead. Since Romero did not make all of those, his metaphor for them does not apply.

 

Do you watch zombie movies? I don't think you do.

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George Romero INVENTED the genre; every zombie prior to that was voodoo related.

As for other zombie movies, the best...Sean of the Dead and 28 days later plus a few others the zombies are metaphorical. However, on a pure horror level they do form a similar but not identical pattern; as do vampire movies. You can't say Bram Stoker's vampire raison d'etre can be dismissed because other people have made vampire/books movies can you?

 

So I still don't know what your point about zombies or not zombies is about...unless you are talking about p zombies.

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Rumsfeld is gone; he was the problem. Don't beat yourselves up over it.

A solution can only be found by all of us...including Syria and Iran, Palestine and Israel...working together; easier said than done.

 

But many parts of the world will still dislike the USA because of the way in which American culture/global companies have dominated the world purely for profit; I don't know what can be done about that. Its the dandelion and burdock( I never found anyone who preferred cola to it but its been "competed" out of existence) versus cola argument which is amplified in thousands of ways the world over.....seems many global companies , supermarkets, media etc are doing the same thing now; gearing up mass production to lowest common denominators and producing crap; often to the detriment of indigenous culture.

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more a vampire fiend meself! far sexier & the occasional fur wearer to be seen!! as in the french film, the title escapes me for the minute, where the 2 lesbian vampires wear fur throughout before.........

 

also a far more popular genre as below!!

 

VAMPIRE FILMOGRAPHY

 

Silent Films:

Vampire of the Coast (1909)

The Vampire's Trail (1910)

The Vampire (1913)--Kalem film directed by Robert Vignola.

In the Grip of the Vampire (1913)

Vampires of the Night (1914)--Greene's Feature Photo Plays.

The Vampire's Trail (1914)--directed by Robert Vignola.

Vampires of Warsaw (1914)

The Vampire's Tower (1914)--Ambrosia film.

Saved From the Vampire (1914)

The Devil's Daughter (1915)

A Fool There Was (1915)--Theda Bara as predatory "Vamp."

The Vampire's Clutch (1915)--Knight film.

Was She A Vampire? (1915)--Universal film.

Kiss of the Vampire (1915)

Mr. Vampire (1916)

A Night of Horror (1916)--German film directed by Arthur Robison.

A Vampire Out of Work (1916)--Vitagraph film.

A Village Vampire (1916)

The Beloved Vampire (1917)

The Vampire (1920)--Metro film.

Drakula (1921)

The Blond Vampire (1922)

Nosferatu (1922)--German Max Schreck as Count Orlock; dir. F.W. Murnau.

London After Midnight (1927)--Lon Chaney as vampire in human disguise.

The Vampire (1928)--seducer, not undead.

 

 

1930s:

Dracula (1931)--Bela Lugosi and balletic style of movement.

Vampyr (1932)--loose "Carmilla" adaptation by Danish director Dreyer.

The Vampire Bat (1933)--Lionel Atwill as mad doctor.

Mark of the Vampire (1935)--remake of 1927's London After Midnight.

Condemned to Live (1935)--baby of bitten woman becomes vampire/werewolf.

Dracula's Daughter (1936)--adaptation of Stoker's "Dracula's Guest."

 

 

1940s:

The Devil Bat (1940)--Lugosi raises bats for revenge.

Spooks Run Wild (1941)--Lugosi as magician suspected of being vampire.

The Return of the Vampire (1943)--Bela Lugosi with different vampire name.

Son of Dracula (1943)--Lon Chaney, Jr. emigrates to the States.

Dead Men Walk (1943)--George Zucco as vampire.

Return of the Vampire (1943)--Lugosi as vampire in WWII England.

House of Frankenstein (1944)--John Carradine as the Count.

House of Dracula (1945)--John Carradine again.

Isle of the Dead (1945)--Karloff accuses girl.

The Vampire's Ghost (1945)--in a small African village.

The Devil Bat's Daughter (1946)--Daddy visits in sleep.

Abbott and Costello Meet Frankenstein (1948)--Lugosi as Dracula too.

Old Mother Riley Meets the Vampire (1948)--Lugosi in British comedy.

 

1950s:

The Thing From Another World (1951)--outer space blooddrinker on Earth.

The Devil's Commandment (1956)

The Vampire (1957)--accidental pill-taking leads to vampirism.

Blood of Dracula (1957)--a.k.a. Blood is My Heritage, Blood of the Demon.

Not of This Earth (1957)--Roger Corman combines sci-fi and vampirism.

The Return of Dracula (1957)--low-quality, a.k.a. The Curse of Dracula.

Horror of Dracula (1958)--Christopher Lee; Hammer Films.

Blood of the Vampire (1958)--anemic doctor victimizes patients.

Curse of the Undead (1959)--cowboy theme.

The Vampire's Coffin (1958)--sequel to 1957's The Vampire.

Uncle Was a Vampire (1959)--Italian satire with Christopher Lee.

 

 

1960s:

World of the Vampires (1960)--pipe-organ made with human bones.

Brides of Dracula (1960)--Oedipal Hammer film set in girls' boarding school.

Blood and Roses (1961)--Roger Vadim's adaptation of "Carmilla."

Black Sunday (1961)--Barbara Steele as vampire/witch in Italian film.

Sampson vs. the Vampire Women (1961)--Mexican wrestling hero Santo.

Bring Me the Vampire (1961)--Mexican inheritance comedy.

House on Bare Mountain (1962)--sexploitation with Frankenstein and Wolfman.

Kiss of the Vampire (1963)--honeymooners in Bavaria encounter cult.

The Last Man on Earth (1964)--Vincent Price after atomic holocaust.

Dr. Terror's House of Horrors (1964)--Peter Cushing is Death.

The Vampires (1964)--a.k.a. Goliath and the Vampires; Italian gladiator.

Dracula, Prince of Darkness (1965)--Christopher Lee; Hammer Films.

Planet of the Vampires (1965)--Italian sci-fi; crew turn into space vampires.

Devils of Darkness (1965)--modern-day victims from Brittany.

Blood Fiend (1966)--Christopher Lee as suspect.

The Vampire People (1966)--Filipino film with bald heart-thief.

Track of the Vampire (1966)--Roger Corman production of artist and wax death.

Billy the Kid vs. Dracula (1966)--outlaw-turned-hero terrorized.

Blood Bath (1966)--a.k.a. Track of the Vampire.

The Devil's Mistress (1966)

Planet of Blood (1966)--a.k.a. Queen of Blood; Corman, Basil Rathbone.

The Fearless Vampire Killers (1967)--Roman Polanski spoof with Sharon Tate.

A Taste of Blood (1967)--Dracula's descendant's revenge on descendants.

Dr. Terror's Gallery of Horror (1967)

Dracula's Wedding Day (1967)

Dracula Meets the Outer Space Chicks (1967)

Draculita (1967)

Dracula Has Risen From the Grave (1968)--Christopher Lee's third outing.

Mad Monster Party (1968)--stop-motion monsterfest.

The Blood of Dracula's Castle (1969)--"a poor film."

The Blood Beast Terror (1969)--British.

The Nude Vampire (1969)--French film with suicide cult in old castle.

Space Vampires (1969)--John Carradine; a.k.a. Astro-Zombies.

 

1970s:

House of Dark Shadows (1970)--Jonathan Frid as Barnabas Collins.

Count Dracula (1970)--Christopher Lee and Klaus Kinski; a shoddy production.

The Scars of Dracula (1970)--Christopher Lee stalking and drinking.

Taste the Blood of Dracula (1970)--Christopher Lee and hypocritical Victorians.

Count Yorga, The Vampire (1970)--East European in California.

The Devil's Skin (1970)

Dracula's Vampire Lust (1970)

The Vampire Lovers (1970)--Hammer with a "Carmilla" adaptation.

Blood of Frankenstein (1970)--Zandor Vorkov as the Count.

Dracula vs. Frankenstein (1970)--American version.

Lust For a Vampire (1970)--Hammer and "Carmilla" echoes.

Countess Dracula (1970)--Hammer with Ingrid Pitt as sadist.

Guess What Happened to Count Dracula (1970)--sexploitation.

The Return of Count Yorga (1971)--sequel to the 1970 film.

Vampire Men of the Lost Planet (1971)--astronauts sent to planet.

Nosferatu in Brazil (1971)--Portuguese 8mm spoof.

The Bloodsuckers (1971)--Greek devil-worship with Patrick MacNee.

The Vampire Happening (1971)--Transylvania inheritance spoof.

The Velvet Vampire (1971)--couple stranded in desert invited into home.

Daughters of Darkness (1971)

Lake of Dracula (1971)--a.k.a. Bloodthirsty Eyes, Japanese.

Blacula (1972)--Caribbean Count.

Dracula A.D. 1972 (1972)--Christopher Lee.

Saga of the Draculas (1972)--aging Count's interest in pregnant niece.

The Night Stalker (1972)

The Werewolf vs. The Vampire Woman (1972)--a.k.a. Shadow of the Werewolf.

Dracula in Brianza (1972)

Dracula's Great Love (1972)

The Deathmaster (1972)

The Legend of Blood Castle (1972)--17th-century Hungarian nobleman.

Grave of the Vampire (1972)--baby drinks mom's blood from bottle.

Bram Stoker's Dracula (1973)--Jack Palance as Dracula; Dan Curtis Productions.

Scream, Blacula, Scream (1973)--Pam Grier's voodoo must send him back.

Satanic Rites of Dracula (1973)--Christopher Lee as CEO and germ warfare.

Andy Warhol's Dracula (1973)--Italian/French with aging Dracula.

The Daughter of Dracula (1973)

Dead People (1973)

Lemora: A Vampire's Tale (1973)--odyssey of teenager in the 1930s.

The Devil's Plaything (1973)

The Devil's Wedding Night (1973)

Old Dracula (1974)--David Niven.

Captain Kronos, Vampire Hunter (1974)--victims robbed of youth.

The Seven Brothers Meet Dracula (1974)--martial arts and Peter Cushing.

Evil of Dracula (1974)--Japanese sequel to 1971's Lake of Dracula.

Vampyres (1974)--two female hitchhikers.

Deafula (1975)

Dead of Night (1976)

Rabid (1977)--Marilyn Chambers has bloodsucking organ under arm.

Doctor Dracula (1977)

Dracula and Son (1977)--Christopher Lee's son wants to be a florist.

Dracula's Dog (1977)--a.k.a. Zoltan: Hound of Dracula.

Martin (1977)--George A. Romero directs film regarding guilt and morality.

Count Dracula (1978)--British tv with Louis Jourdan.

Dracula (1979)--Frank Langella and Laurence Olivier.

Vampire (1979)--San Francisco millionaire; produced by Bochco.

Dracula Blows His Cool (1979)

Nosferatu: The Vampire (1979)--Klaus Kinski in slow remake of 1922 film.

Thirst (1979)--descendant of Countess Bathory and secret society.

Love at First Bite (1979)--George Hamilton spoof with Susan Saint James.

Vampire Hookers (1979)--a.k.a. Night of the Bloodsuckers, with John Carradine.

Dracula Sucks (1979)--Jamie Gillis.

Salem's Lot: The Movie (1979)--originally 4-hour tv movie.

 

1980s:

Dracula's Last Rites (1980)--vampire mortician.

Mama Dracula (1980)--Baroness Bathory spoof.

Deadline (1980)

Dr. Dracula (1981)

Dracula Rises From His Coffin (1982)

The Hunger (1983)--Catherine Deneuve, David Bowie, Susan Sarandon.

A Polish Vampire in Burbank (1984)--nerd vampire spoof.

Fright Night (1985)--kid and Roddy McDowall vs. neighbor.

Once Bitten (1985)--Lauren Hutton comedy.

The Seven Vampires (1985)--botanical chaos.

Dragon Against Vampire (1985)

Lifeforce (1985)--space expedition brings back trouble to London.

Vampire Hunter D (1985) -- Japanese anime novel.

Dracula, the Great Undead (1985) -- Documentary

Demon Queen (1986) -- Female vampire on bloody rampage.

Vamp (1986)--Grace Jones vs. college students.

The Devil Vendetta (1986)

Mr. Vampire (1986)--Hong Kong martial arts and slapstick.

The Lost Boys (1987)--bad influence of the gang.

The Monster Squad (1987)

Near Dark (1987)

I Married a Vampire (1987)--comedy with Brendan Hickey, Rachel Golden.

My Best Friend Is a Vampire (1988)--after last date, he likes rare hamburgers.

Love Bites (1988)--gay spoof.

Teen Vamp (1988)--high school nerd transformed.

Beverly Hills Vamp (1988)--California girls stay out of the sun.

Dance of the Damned (1988)

Dinner With the Vampire (1988)

Dracula's Widow (1988)

Vampire at Midnight (1988)--L.A. cop vs. vampire.

Because the Dawn (1988)--Lesbian vampires.

Nightlife (1989)

To Die For (1989)--Dracula in L.A.

Daughter of Darkness (1989)--she discovers in Romania dad was vampire.

Vampire's Kiss (1989)--Nicholas Cage paranoid about Jennifer Beals.

Rockula (1989)--300-year-old teen vampire in a musical spoof.

Fright Night: Part II (1989)--Roddy McDowall vs. female vampire.

 

1990s:

Dawn (1990)

Sundown: Vampire in Retreat (1990)

Rockula (1990) -- A young vampire is cursed to stay a virgin.

Doctor Vampire (1991)

Blood Ties (1991)--made for tv.

Subspecies (1991)

Kingdom of the Vampire (1991)--Jeff vs. witchy mother.

Pale Blood (1991)--kinky L.A. tale of vampire looking for love.

Vampire Cop (1991)--night shift and tv reporter.

The Reflecting Skin (1991)--a Midwest boy's paranoia about widow next door.

Bram Stroker's Dracula (1992)--Gary Oldman; Francis Ford Coppola.

Innocent Blood (1992)

Children of the Night (1992)--Mother and daughter vampires emprisoned by priest.

Buffy, the Vampire Slayer (1992)

Tale of a Vampire (1992)

Dracula's Hair (1992)

Sleepwalkers (1992) -- Stephen King and Egyptology.

To Sleep With a Vampire (1992)--vampire with stripper seeking son.

My Grandpa Is a Vampire (1992)--Al Lewis from "The Munsters."

Darkness (1993)

Bloodstone: Subspecies II (1993)

Bloodlust: Subspecies III (1993)--vampire Radu, his mummy, and subspecies.

Love Bites (1993)--vampire hunter in love with prey.

Blood Ties (1993)

Dracula Rising (1993)

Tale of a Vampire (1993)--London library scholar searching for lost love.

To Sleep with a Vampire (1993)

Project Vampire (1993)--world domination (would end the food supply?).

Blood in the Night (1993)

City of the Vampires (1993)

Cronos (1993)--mechanized scarab inflicts vampirism.

Vampire Vixens From Venus (1994)--three alien drug smugglers.

Vampires and Other Stereotypes (1994)--detectives and chaos from Hell.

Demonsoul (1994)

Interview With the Vampire (1994)

Embrace of the Vampire (1995)--Alyssa Milano as tempted college student.

Vampire in Brooklyn (1995)

Dracula: Dead and Loving It (1995)

Addicted to Murder (1995)--Midwest boy meets vampire in the woods.

From Dusk 'Til Dawn (1996)

Bordello of Blood (1996)

Dead of Night (1996)

The Vampire Journals (1996)--Vengeful Vamp out to destroy line who turned him.

An American Vampire Story (1997)--New friends turn out to be bad vampires.

Def By Temptation (1997)--Samuel L. Jackson in erotic thriller.

Addicted to Murder: Tainted Blood (1998)--A rebel vampire converts unworthy victims.

Blade (1998)

John Carpenter's Vampires (1998)

Teenage Space Vampires (1998)--Aliens turn out to be a strange vampire species.

Addicted to Murder 3: Blood Lust (1999) -- Someone is feeding on vampire flesh.

Cold Hearts (1999) -- Two young women must kill to live.

The Vampire Carmilla (1999) -- Vampire stalks friends of her great-great-granddaughter.

Vampire Blues (1999) -- New Jersey teen vacations in Spain.

 

 

2000s:

Dark Prince: The True Story of Dracula (2000)

Dracula 2000 (2000) -- Count Dracula is once again unleashed upon the world.

Mom's Got a Date with a Vampire (2000) -- Made for TV.

Shadow of the Vampire (2000) -- The 1922 Nosferatu Schreck as a real vampire.

Blood (2000) -- Vampire's blood made genetically narcotic.

Vampires: Los Muertos (2001) -- Jon Bon, vampire hunter.

Jesus Christ, Vampire Hunter (2001) -- Jesus is called back to a harassed Ottawa.

Vampire Hunter D Bloodlust (2001) -- Japanese anime novel.

The Erotic Rites of Countess Dracula (2001) -- Female vampire rock star in the '60s.

The Forsaken (2001)

Blade II (2002)

Queen of the Damned (2002) -- Vaguely Anne Ricey.

Vampire Clan (2002) -- Those crazy homicidal teens.

An Erotic Vampire in Paris (2002) -- Lesbian Parisian adventure.

Barely Legal Lesbian Vampires (2003) -- Camilla courts Lilith.

Dracula II: Ascension (2003) -- Med students offered cash for ancient plasma.

Vampires Anonymous (2003) -- Vic the Vampire in a 12-step program.

Vlad (2003) -- Three American students in the Carpathian mountains.

Underworld (2003)

Vampires: Out for Blood (2004) -- Rave scene as feeding grounds.

Blood Angels (2004) -- Older sister is vampiric seductress.

Vampires vs. Zombies (2004) -- Infected girl and father encounter both.

Lust for Dracula (2004) -- Housewife and updated Stoker character names.

Vampire Sisters (2004) -- Adult entertainment web site by vampire prostitutes.

Dracula 3000 (2004) -- Transport vessel has been missing for a century.

Van Helsing (2004)

Vampires: The Turning (2005) -- Martial arts and Thai vampire hunters.

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i was looking but got swamped with so many films i'm hoping the list will jog someone's memories!! It was late 60's/early 70's - older vampire late 30's early 40's, blonde, wore a lot of mink, younger vampire was "taken" in a bathroom scene where she cut her wrists & bled to death, dark bob a la flappers style, the end of the film sees the older vampire trying to escape daylight but her car hits a tree & she catipultes onto a tree stump, straight through the heart.... "conveniant eh?"

 

also another film where a blonde who wore leopard fur coat on her honeymoon was coveted by an older vampire, poss french/Italian horror from the 60/70's - when Italian/French films were at their peak imo

 

ps hello Linda

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Hi, Furelli! As usual, so nice to see you here! 8)

 

When I was growing up, Friday night late shows were the horror shows, Vampires, body snatchers. The scarier the better! I looked forward to these movies, it was the highlight of my week.

 

Then I as I grew out of adolescence something changed. Scary amusement rides and horror movies scared me to death!

 

Linda

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nah vampire films were never scary, sporned 100's of films & I think most were more erotic than scary, you lot have been deprived of the fantastic Italian & french films of the 60/70's by the sound of it?

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